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AD18
03-28-2007, 10:11 AM
It is soooo nice to have a place to share all of the various aspects of retriever training with individuals who share the same desires, expectations, and geographical regions. I've noticed a couple of posts that I find real interesting. They revolve around questions about "the best" way to do something, whatever it may be. That's a very difficult question to answer in my opinion. I'll state right out I'm no expert, far from it. Still training my first dog to this day, I've asked alot of the same questions and fell into the same traps. Here is the best pieces of overall advise I've gotten to date. Feel free to tack on your opinions and advise as well, and I won't be insulted if you disagree.
The first and best piece of advise I got is to teach your dog basic obediance. First and foremost. Do not expect it, demand it, at all times. It's alot more fun running marks and such, but if your dog won't sit or come when called who cares. Tough to do some times, easy to forget, but do it.
As for "the best" training program or method in my opinion that's one of the easiest questions to answer. They all are. All of the programs, be it Mike Lardy, Evan Graham, John and Phylis Dobbs, John and Amie Dahl, Robert Milner, James Lamb Free, whoever, all use the same program basically developed by the early pioneers such as Rex Carr. Lardy states right in his video he is not going to teach you anything new, just teach you how to do it better. I have alot of the books and videos and if you browse through them they do the same basic things in the same basic sequence. Lardy's method is the standard to which most are measured, but if you can't afford the $300-400 for his program John and Amie Dahl's 10 Minute Retriever $30 book will get you there. Some minor variations and less detail, but the concept is there. The best advise is to pick ONE program and stick to it alone. Do not try to mix them all together. Do what they say, in the sequence they say, when they say, and you'll be fine.
Join a training group if one is near. Groups like Lake Ontario HRC, Kingston HRC, the various Toronto and Ottawa CKC groups, to name a few. They are HUGE knowledge bases to tap into. Don't be afraid to ask questions or advise. Be cautious giving unless asked. And don't forget to jump in and do your share of the work on training days.
Be patient. Take all the time you need to teach it right the first time. All handlers and dogs are different. Some will scream through, others must plod. This ain't no horse race.
A last, and probably most important. HAVE FUN!!!!!!! It's hard to sometimes, but at the end of the day put a smile on your face, give the ol' hound an ear rub and come back tomorrow.

graftongal
03-28-2007, 01:27 PM
Good post AD18. :nice work: I agree, it is really nice to have a place like this where people can come to share tips, advice and stories whether you're new to the game or a seasoned pro. I think it is great that so many on this board are willing to help us newbies, that is something you don't see a lot of on other boards. People easily forget that they were once in the same position.

rocko
03-28-2007, 02:37 PM
:amen: !!!!

nimkii
03-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Well said...

franklauzon
03-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Then again it depends if you're a Stage 1, 2, or 3...

rocko
03-28-2007, 04:44 PM
^^^^ ha ha, thats funny because I just watched that video clip about stage 1, 2 and 3.....

Mike Bons
03-28-2007, 05:31 PM
If I had to offer advice of what I learned so far, I would have two words:
1. Patience - with the dog
with the program
with the yourself.

2. Simplify - How can I help the dog understand what I want- can I make it any
clearer?
- How can I work/train more effeciently?

ducksoup
03-28-2007, 05:33 PM
So very right -- speaking as a reformed 2 trying to be a better 3

nimkii
03-28-2007, 06:05 PM
Alright folks, what's with the 1, 2 and 3?

just chessies
03-28-2007, 06:15 PM
Good post AD18 I think the hardest thing for people to do who are just starting out is basic obedience. Now i'am talking about retrievers. I have never been involved with other types of hunting dogs, a lot of people want to get on working the dogs on retrieveing bumpers and birds cause others are doing that and it's more fun. Solid obedience is the foundation for everything you do for HT/FT and hunting. just my two cents worth

johnsbritt
03-28-2007, 06:37 PM
what everyone is talking about with 1. 2. 3 is in regards to the new farmer/aycock video due out soon. if you go to farmers website he has some short clips and in one clip he labels trainers into 3 categories. look it up good for laugh. sounds like a tape worth getting.

ducksoup
03-28-2007, 07:45 PM
For 1, 2, and 3 see the Danny Farmer and Judy Aycock DVD that's been mentioned in other threads here -- there are sample videos and one is on the three stages of being a trainer -- #1 is when you know nothing and are a sponge in soaking up all you can learn -- #2 is when you know a little bit but think you know everything -- and #3 is when you really do know a lot but know you never stop learning and are a sponge soaking up all the knowledge you can