Let's Chat Here

[Sharon]

Rather than chatting in the "Don't Close This Site Thread" let's put that behind us and chat here.

I 'm an old lady with 3 dogs - 2 setters and 1 JRT for rabbits and to keep the mice out of the garage where I keep my birds.

I trial my dogs and hunt pheasant, grouse, timberdoodles and rabbit.

I raised beagles with my Dad for 20 years too.

PS Forgot to mention a wonderful husband - no kids but foster kids.

[BdBHunts]

Well I'm not that old, have 2 kids and 2 Bourbonnais. I should have more dogs but my wife isn't keen on that idea. I would like a terrier for pest control, a guardian dog to keep the unwanteds away( 2 and 4 legged) and a hound so that I could try coon hunting. Maybe I could get a Jagd and probably do all three.

[dan]

one wife , two springers, one english pointer, 2 cats, Hunted every saturday and sunday since sept 20 except for this weekend. spending time with the wife and the cats and fixing up the website.

[Big Bird]

Currently one "great" dog,:greenwithenvy: two cats,:boo: coop of pigeons, :bigrin two adult children,:2: and one wife:rip:

[verno]

2 young kids, a beautiful wife, 1 dog ( working on the beautiful wife for another dog) 21 snakes and about 50 lizards. The reptiles are the wifes thing, I'm not really into them. Just got my oldest boy out hunting for the first time this year. He took his cap gun and had a blast

[RyanGSP]

Young Single with an 8 year old Irish Setter and a 2 year old (in 3 days) German Shorthaired Pointer. Looking at a Lab, PudelPointer or Drahthaar for waterfowl though. Need something with some hair. I would really like a English Pointer for trialing and covey birds.

[BdBHunts]

All I have too say is it good that my buddy isn't on here, he would tear you a new one. :censored: How dare you say that you need any other dog but a GSP? According to him the sun rises and sets on shorthairs. That is all you need. In all fairness though, he uses his dogs at this time of year for waterfowl, doesn't have a problem with the cold and the dogs. This time last year his female retrieved a wounded goose and she swam through the pond and then tracked it on land. It was a good 300 yard retrieve.

[Vindalbakken]

Every breed has it's day.

[RyanGSP]

In all fairness Diego will fetch geese until his legs freeze off. But my common sense tells me that -10 in water is his limit. Any colder and I run the risk of hypothermia. If I hunted in a blind where I used a heater yes I would hunt him colder but I dont. I hunt in a coffin blind and a wet dog beside my isnt good for my body heat either.

I have considered getting him his own blind (and I think it might be under the xmas tree already but dont tell him) but I still dont want to put a heater in there for safety reasons.

If we are hunting upland and he is moving I havent hunted a day yet that was cold enough that he couldnt go anymore.

[Kevin Hannah]

Looking at a Lab

Things are looking up for you then:harhar:

[RyanGSP]

Whoa whoa whoa I said looking they are on the bottom right under Shitzu LOL

[Sharon]

Ryan,

I've had 2 GSPs. I love the breed. If you towel him off, put his jacket on and get him off the ground while he waits for the next bird, he'll be all right. Don't send him with the jacket on. JMHO

[Vindalbakken]

Hey Ryan, that EP is a good choice too. You should plan a trip to Mortlach and Montana next fall and check out the Shooting Dog stakes they hold there to witness some Classy pointers from all across the states/canada.

[Sharon]

English setter will do just as good a job .

To spend a week at the Mortlach Championship is a dream of mine.

[Vindalbakken]

I've done it twice. It was unforgettable. Running Brits I will never have a dog to enter, but they have the 1/2 hour club stakes preceding or following so I did get to run my dogs as well. No placements, but a hearty handshake from some pretty tough competitors.

If you want to run a Setter at the Nat. Chicken Champ. you better bring some serious dog power.

[Vindalbakken]

Whoa whoa whoa I said looking they are on the bottom right under Shitzu LOL

That's a Lab for you. Such a stalwart, unassuming, workhorse breed they are even willing to hold a lowly Shitzu up when they need it. No arrogance or pomposity with them.

[Sharon]

I've done it twice. It was unforgettable. Running Brits I will never have a dog to enter, but they have the 1/2 hour club stakes preceding or following so I did get to run my dogs as well. No placements, but a hearty handshake from some pretty tough competitors.

If you want to run a Setter at the Nat. Chicken Champ. you better bring some serious dog power.

You're absolutely right. Most good setters are in the Cover Dog trials but there are some big running powerhouses around. They win the National Championship every once in a while.Do you visit the Cover Dog Forum?

[RyanGSP]

Scott I havent heard of this trial before do you have any iformation? I have been planning on going to Montana and Idaho to tests Diego for his MH this spring and down to Washington for the NADKC Annual Club Metting in April.

Not saying that English Setters wont get the job done they will over heat alot faster than and English Pointer. For the last 3 years its been up to 25 degree for the first month or 6 weeks of our season so keeping the dog cool is a big deal. Hence the English Pointer.

[Vindalbakken]

I haven't been on Cover Dog for a couple of weeks.

[Vindalbakken]

Ryan, if you want a setter that can handle the heat as good as any made, Sean Kelly from Cardston has some every now and again. He just won the Region 14 Shooting Dog Championship this fall with Lone Mountain Magique. Also John Mandell from just south of the border in Montana who breeds under the Lone Mountain prefix.

The info on the trials can be found at http://www.region14aftca.com Check out the Big Sky club. I forgot that they moved the Region 14 SD to Stoughton which would be about a 8 hour drive for you to get to. Mortlach and the Big Sky trials should only be a 5 or 6 hour trip. It is only the Championships that draw all the entries from around the country. The weekend club stakes usually see only the local dogs entered from Sask, Southern AB, and Montana unless they are in conjunction with the Championship. Not that the dogs from around these parts aren't competitive, because they do win their fair share.

[RyanGSP]

Thanks scott. Dont the clubs around here run under Region 14 as well?

[Vindalbakken]

Region 14 AFTCA includes Sask, Alberta and some? of Montana. Any trials run under the sanction of the Amateur Field Trial Club of America in that geographical area come are in Region 14. A number of years ago a movement was put forth to homologize the trialers of the area and the directors of Region 14 AFTCA invited the CKC clubs to become members of their association as well. Since that time many of the CKC clubs have been holding their trials under the auspices of both sanctioning bodies. Non of the CKC clubs are willing to give up that organization and go totally AFTCA for the main reason that they like their titles. The way it is now the CKC trials in this area will title two or three FC dogs in a year, whereas with AFTCA there would only be one Championship stake each year and therefor only one titled dog.

The cooperative sentiment is not disappearing from the AFTCA clubs as they asked Steve Short to judge at the SD Championship this year, but the multiple course, wild bird trial afficianados have yet to show any interest in coming to run their dogs in the single course, planted bird trials. Some of the SC/CKC folks have made the occasional foray to run against the long tails and have done respectably. I have a couple of placements myself and when I get back into trialing full time again I will be back in Ardath and Mortlach trying to cut a couple of placements for the stub tail dogs.

[Sharon]

Well I'm not that old, have 2 kids and 2 Bourbonnais. I should have more dogs but my wife isn't keen on that idea. I would like a terrier for pest control, a guardian dog to keep the unwanteds away( 2 and 4 legged) and a hound so that I could try coon hunting. Maybe I could get a Jagd and probably do all three.

Jagd: terrific little dog ( pronounced yack) You could do all 3! More tenacious than a Jack Russell!

16 inches, 22pounds
great blood tracker
coat too thin for late season deer
FCI and UKC registered
20 th century breed
not a family dog
none available in Ontario, one breeder in B.C.

* best to import from Europe or North/South Eastern States

[cody]

I had shorthairs for maybe 20 years than got into pointers!
Would rather own a volks or a porsche?

[RyanGSP]

I had shorthairs for maybe 20 years than got into pointers!
Would rather own a volks or a porsche?

Better be carful with that I know a couple guys breeding GSP's that would even give a good pointer a run for its money. Thats one of the great and not so great things about this breeds. Ya with the popularity of the breed 75% of the people out there are not using them or breeding them for what they were intended for but with the popularity now you have so many choices and builds of GSP that they can do whatever it is what you want them to do.

[Vindalbakken]

I had shorthairs for maybe 20 years than got into pointers!
Would rather own a volks or a porsche?

Adrenaline junkie!

[cody]

As a senior judge in all pointing dog games and tests
even BRIT trials SCOT! Your dogs to! Have not seen that Ryan kid
around sounds like he's been around for years. Must have missed him!
I like style and speed of pointers!!

[BdBHunts]

What EP lines do you run?

[cody]

try to keep to guard rail lines bidabel but classey
have had great results!

[take-um]

I've done it twice. It was unforgettable. Running Brits I will never have a dog to enter, but they have the 1/2 hour club stakes preceding or following so I did get to run my dogs as well. No placements, but a hearty handshake from some pretty tough competitors.

If you want to run a Setter at the Nat. Chicken Champ. you better bring some serious dog power.

Hasn't a setter won it the last couple of years (2008/2007)? I thought that was the title that Grouse Feather Mark won twice, is that not right?

[Vindalbakken]

You must be thinking of a different event. Write ups of the National Amateur Chicken Championship held at Mortlach, SK can be found here: http://www.region14aftca.com/region14/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=9&id=28&Itemid=34

[Vindalbakken]

As a senior judge in all pointing dog games and tests
even BRIT trials SCOT! Your dogs to! Have not seen that Ryan kid
around sounds like he's been around for years. Must have missed him!
I like style and speed of pointers!!

I haven't seen that Ryan kid around at any trials either.

I like watching a good pointer. Maybe when I get older and can't walk so much I will have to get one.

[take-um]

I am speaking of the National Prairie chicken championship in the states, I believe it is held in Oregon

[cody]

-20 just got back hour half walk with buds and 4
pointers and 1 gsp probabley would run to Stetller from Castor
brits in front of fireplace??:cheesy::cheesy:

[Penny]

I'm sure the GSP was leading the way on that run.Unless he was standing on point.

[Sharon]

try to keep to guard rail lines bidabel but classey
have had great results!



I assume you are familiar with Ross Callaway's Guardrail line at Calladen Kennels? He works with Gene on who to breed.

[Sharon]

Hasn't a setter won it the last couple of years (2008/2007)? I thought that was the title that Grouse Feather Mark won twice, is that not right?

Mortlach Sask. National Amateur Chicken Championship ( AF) ( AA CH held that same week.)

2007 - EP - High Noon Drifter
2008 - EP - Sharp Shooter


and not this year :

http://www.fieldtrialcentral.com/2009/10/national-open-pheasant-championship_12.html

[Vindalbakken]

I assume you are familiar with Ross Calladen's Guardrail line at Calladen Kennels? He works with Gene on who to breed.

That is a pretty new breeding program. But if he keeps at it I am sure the Calladen name will become familiar.

PS - it is Ross Callaway.

[Vindalbakken]

-20 just got back hour half walk with buds and 4
pointers and 1 gsp probabley would run to Stetller from Castor
brits in front of fireplace??:cheesy::cheesy:

-20 - You guys are weenies thinking that is cold. Setting records at -45 yesterday. I made the Brits stay inside the kennel.

[cody]

I'm sure the GSP was leading the way on that run.Unless he was standing on point.

no he was cold and coudnt keep up!!

[cody]

no he was cold and coudnt keep up!!

whers ryan when you need him gsp?

[Vindalbakken]

Must be a house dog :)

[cody]

the brits??:cheesy:

[Penny]

whers ryan when you need him gsp?

I don't need Ryan to back me up.If the GSP was in the rear it's because he was pushing those pointers

[Vindalbakken]

the brits??:cheesy:

No, the GSP.

Pushing? Is that the new GSP lingo????

[cody]

its pushing if you have pointer blood in you !! sorry i never said that.

[cody]

sorry scot just looked at your wheather probley have to switch
pointers out every 2 hours!

[Spencer Ray]

I am speaking of the National Prairie chicken championship in the states, I believe it is held in Oregon

Hey Take-Um, Grouse Feather Mark won the National Prairie Chicken Open Shooting Dog Championship in '07 and '08 which is held in Wisonsin. Dr. Dunbar's Trooper dog placed RU in the Amateur Prairie Chicken Shooting Dog Championship this year as well, he's got a pretty impressive string of setters. The National Open Praire Chicken Championship referred to earlier is run under all age standards I believe so there is a handler and a scout who plays a big role in the getting the dog around the course.

[Vindalbakken]

cody, no setter running with you?

[cody]

they have hair house dogs to!!

[Vindalbakken]

Just thought you might know someone who owns one. Maybe even run with it once in awhile (I know, not in the cold - darn prima donna dogs :) )

[cody]

Two of my buds bought sent one back spooky replacement not
much better . One in edmonton probably should have

[RyanGSP]

Apparently a guy cant take a few days away from the computer or else cody feels the need to send 3 or 4 emails to a guy whining your not on the forum.

No I havent been at many trials in the past 2 years, I moved up to Grande Prairie and got caught up in the patch there. Diego was diagnosed as a carrier for Cone Degeneration so I neutered him and decided not to finish his FDX or go for the Dual Champion title.

I was lined up on a Nation Champion breeding until I got laid off at work and moved south. Right now I am keeping my eyes open for a good solid breeding as we are ready for another puppy to get into trials again.

I looked at a pointer from Ross (Calden's) and he was ready to ship me up an Elhew dog or an Elhew x Gaurdrail breeding but them thin haired pointers just wouldnt have cut it this wint when it was minus 20 and we were pushing cattails.

[cody]

are you joking about the pointers? YOU sure haven,t ben around
many pointers. We hunt montana till dec, 31 when our licence
exess going boxing day have a nice exmas!!

[RyanGSP]

Nope I am not joking around. I even 2nd guess my GSP in this weather not fun when the snow is blowing in your face and your shotgun sounds like a cap gun when it goes off its so cold. There is no open prairie running these dogs are in the cattails covered in snow they get cold fast.

[BdBHunts]

I can point you to a top quality setter or pointer that is as good or better and will cost much less. Ross is a salesman. A fellow that I know in Idaho ran two pups in the 08/09 season there and they left his pointers in the dust.

Here is one, she had several hundred birds, of different species, shot over her last year. A few different guys that I know hunted over her and raved about her ability and style.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo358/coyote824/DSC00174.jpg

Momma's ped
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=1958

[RyanGSP]

Im not looking for a pointer or another setter. I am GSP through and through. I thought long and hard about both and have decided to stay with the GSP for the versatility.

[Sharon]

sorry-double post

[Sharon]

I can point you to a top quality setter or pointer that is as good or better and will cost much less. Ross is a salesman. A fellow that I know in Idaho ran two pups in the 08/09 season there and they left his pointers in the dust.

Here is one, she had several hundred birds, of different species, shot over her last year. A few different guys that I know hunted over her and raved about her ability and style.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo358/coyote824/DSC00174.jpg

Momma's ped
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=1958

Ross may be a salesman but what he sells is worth every penny. That's where I'd be going if I wanted a pointer - which I don't. :)

[BdBHunts]

Sharon I know that you like Ross and I thought he was a good guy too, I won't get into it here, but I had my eyes opened. Don't believe everything that you hear from him.

PS Do you know that he hates setters?

[RyanGSP]

Have you seen some of the breeding he is doing. Wow going to some old school stuff. Not sure if its worth the price tag on breeding that has never been done before but to each his own.

[Penny]

Apparently a guy cant take a few days away from the computer or else cody feels the need to send 3 or 4 emails to a guy whining your not on the forum.

No I havent been at many trials in the past 2 years, I moved up to Grande Prairie and got caught up in the patch there. Diego was diagnosed as a carrier for Cone Degeneration so I neutered him and decided not to finish his FDX or go for the Dual Champion title.

I was lined up on a Nation Champion breeding until I got laid off at work and moved south. Right now I am keeping my eyes open for a good solid breeding as we are ready for another puppy to get into trials again.

I looked at a pointer from Ross (Calden's) and he was ready to ship me up an Elhew dog or an Elhew x Gaurdrail breeding but them thin haired pointers just wouldnt have cut it this wint when it was minus 20 and we were pushing cattails.


Ryan I don't understand why you stopped trying for the FDX with your dog? If he was diagnosed as a carrier that means he might pass it on but will never be infected himself.I understand the neutering but not the FDX part

[RyanGSP]

He was going to be a stud dog. The FDX was just my way of proving him on paper incase somone didnt believe the amount of birds on paper. It was also a great way for me to get bonding with him.

Now him and I have develpoed that unbreakable bond and he has become and unstoppable bird machine. I am happy where he sit with his titles and may do the FDX with him but it wont be until my next dog is ready for it. Heck to be honest he will probably see a trial field as well but once again not until the next dog is ready.

[Penny]

He was going to be a stud dog. The FDX was just my way of proving him on paper incase somone didnt believe the amount of birds on paper. It was also a great way for me to get bonding with him.

Now him and I have develpoed that unbreakable bond and he has become and unstoppable bird machine. I am happy where he sit with his titles and may do the FDX with him but it wont be until my next dog is ready for it. Heck to be honest he will probably see a trial field as well but once again not until the next dog is ready.

If you have the bond you say you have with that dog you are doing him a great dis-service not carrying on and trying the FDX level.The cone degeneration is not an issue and I can't see why you even brought it up.Buy all the dogs you want but don't stop with one dog waiting for the next.

[RyanGSP]

How am I doing him a dis-service? He is doing what he loves to do. Sit on the couch we run him on wild birds 12 months a year and 4 of those months we actually get to do some shooting. The only dis-service I am doing is not running him for the people I get emails from every spring asking if I will have him out that spring.

[cody]

Geane is such a gent don,t now how he met this guy!!
Spent 3 hours in dog truck with him wen I HAD a Gard Rail dog
Geane won that am at youngstown with box car willie he used to have setters to he wasn,t that impresed. He watched my dog run and gave
me praise true gent

[Sharon]

LOL I know how he feel about setters. He is a dear friend still.
You're right Cody. You won't find a finer gentleman than Gene.

[Penny]

How am I doing him a dis-service? He is doing what he loves to do. Sit on the couch we run him on wild birds 12 months a year and 4 of those months we actually get to do some shooting. The only dis-service I am doing is not running him for the people I get emails from every spring asking if I will have him out that spring.

Anyone can run their dogs 12 months a year on birds but if they don't have a goal do they?It takes a lot of training to be competive in feild trials the same can be said for the FDX level of Field tests.I know FDX is not a competition but its still a lot of work.The dis-service comes in when you feel you have a good dog and don't try for more.It's your dog and it's just my opinion

[RyanGSP]

Thats just it Penny I dont have a goal for him anymore. Well I do for him to be a great family dog and a great bird hunter. So far he is filling both those roles so why do I need to compete in trials or finish his FDX to prove that?

[verno]

Anyone can run their dogs 12 months a year on birds but if they don't have a goal do they?It takes a lot of training to be competive in feild trials the same can be said for the FDX level of Field tests.I know FDX is not a competition but its still a lot of work.The dis-service comes in when you feel you have a good dog and don't try for more.It's your dog and it's just my opinion

If a dog gets out doing what its meant to do 12 months a year, how can choosing not to run in a field test be a disservice? Dogs don't care about ribbons.

[Penny]

If a dog gets out doing what its meant to do 12 months a year, how can choosing not to run in a field test be a disservice? Dogs don't care about ribbons.

Your absolutly right
The only reason I jumped in on this post is because i was ticked when Ryan posted about retiring his dog due to Cone Degeneration.I guess I went a little overboard.One of my GSP's is a carrier of something that makes Cone Degeneration look like a broken nail and we are out there every chance we get.

[Sharon]

QUOTE=RyanGSP;]


" Young Single with an 8 year old Irish Setter and a 2 year old (in 3 days) German Shorthaired Pointer. Looking at a Lab, PudelPointer or Drahthaar for waterfowl though. Need something with some hair. I would really like a English Pointer for trialing and covey birds."


Have you seen some of the breeding he is doing. Wow going to some old school stuff. Not sure if its worth the price tag on breeding that has never been done before but to each his own.


Guardrail may be "old' - actually dead. :) but he is one of the finest dogs who ever competed. To have the privilege of carrying on that bloodline from the master himself ( Gene), is an amazing honor. I think there is only one straw left.

from Raildancer/Sarah - "Lady"

http://www.caladenkennels.com/gallery/lady02.JPG

[Kootenay Jim]

Here is a link to the Guard Rail story taken from the Pointing Dog Journal
http://railwaykennels.com/grstory.html