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Kevin Hannah
12-31-2007, 01:01 PM
I know there are lots of people here that hunt deep enough into the season to be out in some really bad weather. Here is a story which I have cross posted (with permission) as a reminder for everyone to remember that dogs, they will continue to work for us through a lot of discomfort without any complaints.


It is my understanding that traumatic events are often dealt with by talking about them to friends and strangers alike. No opinions, agenda, or B.S. here...just an account of what has been one of the toughest days of my life thus far.

The pain and grief I'm burdening my conscience with is more that anyone could possibly throw at me, so please save the "reply" button for support of my dog and not reiteration of what I now understand was terribly poor judgement on my (and only my) behalf. This morning I laid on the edge of a field in Jackson county Arkansas asking God and whoever else was listening why it had to end this way. On the week that Ace will age out of the Derby, I watched the life quickly slip from his eyes as I stripped my waders and clothes off trying to warm him while my hunting partner was running for the Argo.

We've been after the ducks pretty hard so far this season, and this morning was no different than normal. Picking up birds until about 8:30 when the "faucet" seems to shut off. Except, the faucet opened up on a buckbrush hole around 9:00 and two of us headed over to slip in and get in on the action. Even being his first season to hunt, 30 something days into it, he's really added "duck dawg" to his short, but respectable resume', dotted with some derby points and Q placements. While most of our spots have platforms or at least logs to get the dogs out of the water, this "makeshift" hunt had no decent place for a dog to stand. Seeing the sheer number of birds and knowing that we only needed a few, I figured 30 minutes tops...surely he can stand in knee deep water for that long. About 45 minutes into it he had just made a retrieve and I noticed a strange grunt/moan on the return that I've never heard before. As he came to heel, and another group was making a pass, he continued to make the sound. As he's not a "whiner" when birds are working, I gave a "quiet-nick". Continues to make the sound. Now I'm scratching my head. Knowing that he'll air even in swimming water, I rule that out. I chalk it up to "he's cold" and say "let's call it, my dog's getting chilly". As we're easing out, he becomes disoriented and begins to just tread water. I walk over and ease on his collar to pull him along. When his legs floated up to the sides, I knew we were in deep kim shi. Hypothermia was rapidly draining his time with us, as his core body temp continued to plummet. When I let go of his collar to pick him up, he sunk (head and all). Now I've heard of people doing amazing things in times of extreme duress (single person flips over car that is trapping someone, etc.), but I have never made it through 250 yards of beaver-run, smart-weed filled stump hole filled buck brush in under 20 minutes with my shotgun and blind bag. This morning I did that plus a 67 pound lab in 5. By the time I got to dry ground he was limp and unable to support his own head. I stripped my jacket, outershirt, and fleece to wrap and then curled up next to him while my partner (75 yards behind me without carrying a dog) was making to to shore to get the Argo. He had his first seizure on the edge of the field, gasping for breath, foaming at the mouth, and contracting every muscle in his body. As his eyes rolled back I pleaded with him "I'm so sorry buddy, I never meant for it to end this way"..."I never would have done this to you on purpose"....this was 10 minutes from the time he picked up the last bird. And I prayed for the first time in a long time. The selfish grief that burned from the fact that I was losing my first "real" dog and best friend was sickly overshadowed by the anguish that I felt from seeing the pain in Ace's eyes. That image raises the hair on my neck as I type this and will likely haunt me for many years to come. Argo pulls up and I hop in, with him in my lap, wrapped in my jacket, and I take the longest 1/2 mile ride to the truck that I'll ever take. Get to the truck, start engine, petal to the floor trying to get warmed up so that the heat kicks in. Lay Ace in the passenger floorboard and use everything dry that I had (handlers jackets, frogg toggs, gloves, etc) to get the water off. Then pile on my bibs, coat, and fleece to keep him warm. Second seizure hits as my buddy climbs into the driver's seat for the 45 minute ride to Jonesboro, where we have no clue how to find a vet on Sunday morning. Was going to give him some Coke to provide a shot of glucose, only to find out that his jaws were locked shut, front teeth piercing through his bottom lip from the seizures. Totally immobile and unresponsive, I pinch, pull, and pat to keep him from shutting those eyes. Notice that his gums are solid white. A few times he takes "his dying breath" and I jackleg attempt canine CPR. 10 minutes from Jonesboro and we get a call from the vet who responded to a page from his answering service. He's 15 minutes away, so I wait out another of the 5 longest minutes of my life in the parking lot. He pulls up, unlocks the doors, and I carry Ace in with the gut feeling that this would be his last vet visit. I prayed again for the second time in a long time. What happened in the next 4 hours is nothing short of a sho' nuff' miracle. I usually don't buy that cheesy crap, but I "seen it with my own eyes". With a core body temp of 84 degrees at the vet (so we'll call it close to 80 before the 100 mph heater wide open truck ride), a blur of heated tables, blankets, heating pads, warm saline solution through an IV began. 2 hours into it, we got to 90 degrees. He began to shiver (which was a good sign), and opened his eyes. At 2.5 hours, he picked up his head and took a drunken look around. At 3 hours, we were at 94 and and eased outside to relieve the bladder (another good sign that the kidneys were functioning). At 3.5 hours he ate a high-protein tube of some honey-substance. At 4 hours he was at 97 and I was hauling to Memphis with him asleep in the back seat, destined for the emergency clinic. Out of the back seat in Memphis he's got pep in his step to air and meet the awaiting staff with vet chart faxes in hand. He leveled out a 101.5 for tonight and is resting while fluids are administered. And while this seems to be the happy ending, I'm fully aware that he's not out of the woods yet. A condition known as D.I.C. (can't give you the true acronym, but the slang is Death Is Coming) were clotting ability is reduced is a definite possibility, along with a string of other ailments, including kidney, heart, lung failure, and the potential for his "internal temp regulators" to spike and throw him into HYPERthermia in the near future are all very real threats. But that's tomorrow. For tonight, my dog is alive. And in better condition than he was on the edge of that field this morning.

What did I learn?
-You cannot leave a dog in the water, even for a short amount of time. They need a place to get out and shake the excess water.
-I've always been a critic of dog vests...not no mo'. After the ass-chewing I got from the vet, I got a good list of reasons to use a vest.
-You've got to listen to your dog. Generally, they'll show/tell you that something's wrong.
-There could easily be more than coincidence relating the request for divine intervention and the honest-to-goodness miracle that I witnessed today.

Labber
12-31-2007, 03:17 PM
Kevin.
Thanks for that post. I hadn't seen it before.
My dogs have always worn vest while hunting, as early in the season as they comfortably can. I've been guilty of not being as careful as I should re Hypothermia in years past, but this year I decided to err with caution.
After Dec 15, no more long cripples on the lake even with the vest.
If we're lucky, the dog will show us that they are getting into the danger of Hypothermia.
A slowed responsiveness, slower swimming, and even a lower desire to retrieve. That's when it's time to believe what my dog is telling me.

Great post.

Kevin Hannah
12-31-2007, 03:50 PM
I hunt mine with vest as well Labber from about mid season on depending on water temps, I know this year I had a few LONG cripples out into the ST Lawrence. Even with the vest on it is a long time in the water when it is that cold.

The original post was just posted on RTF and after reading it I got permission from the poster to cross post it here. He said to post it on a many sites as I like and if it helps just one dog or one person from having to go through what he has then that is great.

Kevin

krakadawn
12-31-2007, 04:11 PM
Scott,
You are sooo right to be cautious about long retrieves and cold water. The problem that we get into is having a very capable dog that will go the distance or stay on a long cripple when better judgement should have said NO. We all hate to potentially lose a bird but our safety and the dogs safety come first.If you're like me you always have a boat there to deal with these situations but the odd time you can get into a bit of 'pickle' with the dog out too far and in the water too long.
Last year we had a situation gunning broadbills on big water. Had a black come in and was crippled just outside the decoys and drifting.My hunting partner(whose's also on this board-may want to discuss exteme retrieves) sent his young dog-usually isn't a big issue with a puddler but this ended up with dog going about 800 yds. to a nearby island. Needless to say his "Daddy" was right behind him with the boat chasing this cripple as soon as it became apparent we had a diving puddler.
Always best to use one's common sense and have a boat handy.

Labber
12-31-2007, 10:24 PM
When we're on Lake Erie, we hunt from a boat.
More than once this year we went out and retrieved the retriever in the late season. I couldn't imagine seeing him go under.

Drew Good
01-01-2008, 09:39 AM
Yes I read that as well and think it was a great idea to cross post it here Kevin. While the duck season is over we still have a few days of goose left.

Drew

Bryan.M
01-01-2008, 10:45 AM
I was also extremely cautious this past fall,the water seemed to drop fast,when it got to mid to low 50's I decided to call it quits on the swim-bye as I felt it wasn't fair to add pressure to the chilly conditions.I felt I made the right decicion,and I will resume the swimbye come spring.

Bryan.

Misty Marsh
01-01-2008, 12:33 PM
Bryan, I have access to a perfect swim-by pond just 10 minutes southwest of me!

Bryan.M
01-01-2008, 11:49 PM
Consider me there Misty!Happy New Year!! Tried some standalones today for the first time,what a great marking drill.

Misty Marsh
01-02-2008, 12:19 AM
Try making some stickmen with dark clothing, set 3 or 4 of them out in a field, then do walking stand alones within them, now you really have a set of marks!

Lpgar
01-02-2008, 10:05 AM
Hypothermia is not just a thing of the ice and water late season. I had a experiance very much like what was written about with My first Retiever "Jet" many many years back at Hullet. October....and mid month. Water was very standable for Us even in Nylon waders.

Jet was a bit of an Ass at times about staying in the Canoe. (learned how to fix that since....thankyou Tritronics)....anyway...... It was a nice evening and just let him swim...and play...and retrieve...Finally after about an hour He climbed Up onto a bush and stayed still.... Shot a couple of birds which He retrieved in His fashion Ok.... Then came the night flight..... wasn't really paying attention to him....We shot a double on Mallards....Out He went for the retrieve....but didn't come back. I went to look for him (just accross the decoy set)...and found him partially out of the water on a old log Dog platform Out Cold....barely breathing.... Just like the write Up. It was a long Paddle out from 16 (for those who would know where that was)... But the ending was happy after warming him in in the truck in a wool blanket...He came too around Clinton.....and was fine (well as fine as Jet ever was) by London.

So.....becareful....watch your Dog.....don't take a risk as others have suggested. It can happen alot faster than you think.

Gar