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Jojoe
09-01-2008, 08:44 PM
Having had the privledge to help my club put on our annual hunt test this past weekend I had the opportunity to think...

Warning: long post - jump to larger text at bottom to avoid eye strain.

Being stake marshal I had prepared by assembleing as many useful items for test set up / running that i could think of; brush clipper, weed whipper, spade, etc. Among the items was a pair of size 8 hip waders. Day 2 water series required a blind planter that had hip waders - dang bird boys were too large to fit into them so I stepped up...er...in.

Now, as is usual in training groups, I have always taken my turn in the field to throw birds, plant blinds, load winger, etc. So, taking to the field during an official stake, I did not expect to learn what I did...although if I had given it some thought I would have realized it...the differences between us trainers being BBs in training compared to what we ask our young BBs during an official stake is night and day.

The young men and ladies that have filled these important positions in the field so that we may test our dogs really are unsung heros. Are they physically demanding - not usually. Are they mentally demanding - not usually. Are they boring - for these kids that don't know what is really going on, you bet they are!

While waiting for the judges to converse about a dog that had just finished running and before they called 'dog to the line' a BB that I was sharing a blind with had a brief discussion. It became apparent to me that he had never seen a dog run before, and due to the excellent job of concealment he had done for two days, still had not seen a dog run a test. As we sat, a handler was called to the line and I whispered to the BB what was happening as it was happening - we could only hear the event, like a radio play. I saw an understanding enter his eyes. Now that isn't to say it was any less boring...just easier for him to understand and time his actions.

Following the event, while the judges were going over their notes, I took the opportunity to air and swim our young pup that had been in her kennel all afternoon in my truck on the dyke. I asked the three boys if they had ever 'handled' a dog before. None had.

Each of the three boys in turn heeled in, sat, sent and heeled back in my pup - each one having the bumper spat into their hand. The smiles told the entire story. Having just finished the stake and needing to get back to headquarters three mini-marks were all we had time for. These young fellas that worked so hard for us so that we could play had no idea what the game is that we were playing.

Question: what are the other hunt test clubs doing to encourage these eager/hard working young people (bird boys) to get more involved with the sport that we love? Are we not missing a great opportunity here? Paying them is the least that they deserve - but before you consider them WELL paid, put the waders on and crouch behind a blind in the afternoon sun. Then come back the next day to do it again. ;)

BB day to let them handle dogs? Fun day BBQ with 'dog games'? Pre-event training day with dogs and birds? What does your club do...?

luvmylabs
09-01-2008, 09:40 PM
I don't know if our club does anything, but I have had two young people helping out as bird throwers this summer. Both have been allowed to run the dogs and I have tried to explain to them the different training terms and the training process. They have been taught the proper commands to run the dogs. In addition, one of these two young people is hoping to run my pup in JH at the Brighton test. If my pup gets the pass, this will be his JH title. She is really looking forward to it. They have been invited to a couple of barbecues at our home. I am really going to miss them when they go back to school.

Anne

tollerlover
09-01-2008, 10:55 PM
I like the pre-event training day idea! LOHRC has a group training day pretty much every Sunday. Maybe a week or two before the test, invite all the "flight engineers" out for a day to see what we do and handle some dogs. I'm sure it would give them more appreciation for how important their work is at the test.

Kevin Hannah
09-01-2008, 10:55 PM
It is a good question Ron, when we finished looking at our judging sheets I realised what you were doing with the bird boys. They really seemed to enjoy it after a long days work.

One thing our club does every year and you probably had a chance to see it when you attended our test is a junior handlers event. During the lunch break we set up a couple marks in the field next to the head quarters. We allow any young people there to run a dog, we also offer this to the bird boys we have working at the event. Dogs are supplied by various people at the test who have dogs. Every handler that runs gets a ribbon and almost every person there is out by the trucks watching them run. The kids have a great time and really seem to enjoy it. I have recieved feedback from partents of some of these kids that come home and tell their partents this portion of the day was that best part. It is a small thing but everyone from the kids to the handlers watching seem to really enjoy watching this.

Kevin

eden beardsall
09-01-2008, 11:00 PM
Three of our former bird boys now own retrievers and are avid duck hunters. Two of the boys actually earned the money for their dogs by being birdboys at Hunt tests and Field Trials . They were bitten by the bug .
As we are quite close to these kids we have heard the good and the bad. The one thing they do want is to be spoken to in a civil manner. At first they needed some instruction and as the one boy said " they should explain what we are to do not yell at us as if we were idiots" Some judges wouldn't even see to it that they had a cool drink on a scorching day.
Most kids will try their best if they are shown what to do . This weekend one of the boys was sent home with a high fever and the doctors are treating him for sunstroke but are watching to see if develops into something more serious.
If clubs have their names it is nice to have them come to a fun day and run a dog , we had a whole "Get out Doors" group come to run the dogs and have hamburgs . They had done a great job throwing at the York trial .

Kevin Hannah
09-02-2008, 12:01 AM
Three of our former bird boys now own retrievers and are avid duck hunters. Two of the boys actually earned the money for their dogs by being birdboys at Hunt tests and Field Trials . They were bitten by the bug .
As we are quite close to these kids we have heard the good and the bad. The one thing they do want is to be spoken to in a civil manner. At first they needed some instruction and as the one boy said " they should explain what we are to do not yell at us as if we were idiots" Some judges wouldn't even see to it that they had a cool drink on a scorching day.
Most kids will try their best if they are shown what to do . This weekend one of the boys was sent home with a high fever and the doctors are treating him for sunstroke but are watching to see if develops into something more serious.
If clubs have their names it is nice to have them come to a fun day and run a dog , we had a whole "Get out Doors" group come to run the dogs and have hamburgs . They had done a great job throwing at the York trial .

Some good points Eden but I personelly think the comments are miss placed. Judges at these events are there to setup the tests and judge the dogs. In trying to evaluate all the dogs fairly and the same you need to stay focused and aware of everything going on. At times the details and requirements for the bird boys comfort are forgotten. The marshel at each stake should be looking after the bird boys basic needs and looking after the issues that come up throughout the day. These things include making the kids as comfortable as posible at each site, makiing sure the kids have water and are actually drinking it, there is sunscreen and bug spray available and getting them fed at lunch. They should all also be given training and information about what is expect of them and that they know how to load the wingers safely.

At our tests I make sure that each stake marshel is aware that they are responsible for all these items.

When I am judging I do my best during the day to make sure the kids have put on sunscreen and are drinking water. Most trips to the cooler they are told they can drink some pop if they want but they have to drink a bottle of water as well. I personelly find it difficult to believe that a judge(knowing all the judges on the weekend) would actually yell at any of the kids. Even though it is sometimes a little frustrating at times. At our test once we were all set up for the afternoon we called all the helpers and bird boys in before we got started so I could thank them all for their hard work knowing that once the test was done they would probably be booking it out of there. We also reminded them that we knew it was hot and it had been a long day but they needed to stay focus for the afternoon because mistakes in loading wingers only make the day longer. We managed to go all afternoon with no issues and not a single no bird.

Anna Scott
09-02-2008, 08:03 AM
The bird boys or what ever you call them are perhaps the most important people in the group without them we do not have a game to play. i often wince when I hear that they are well paid. Perhaps in the hunt game the hour are a little better but a some field trials when you get 50 + dogs and start at 7 in the morning and are still going a 7 at night the hourly rate isn`t so hot. All of these kids work really hard and we need to remember they are just kids. i am not really sure how many of us adults would trade places with them. As Ron says it is a whole different angle throwing for trainings and throwing for a test. We really need to be vigilant on test,trial days, everyone of us, that these kids are being monitored and that we are not putting them a risk in anyway.
An appreciation day for them is not too much to ask.

Lenore
09-02-2008, 08:12 AM
That is/was an excellent post Ron! Our son Hunter was BB for a HT here at B'ville. He absolutly loved it!!! He was mad b/c there is a rule that BB need to be a certain age to be able to be were the live flyers and that was were he wanted to be but once the judge took him off to the side and kindly told him why he understoood. Now he wants to run a dog!! Which is not a problem at all his father and I agree though that Drake is not the dog, maybe when Drake is older not just right now. We are secretly looking for another dog that has the same drive and desire just a little toned down or maybe an older dog that already knows its job.

I know for me that I try and personally thank everyone (judges, stewards and BB for a good job). I agree with an appreciation day a little thanks and true appreciation go long way!

Greg
09-02-2008, 08:42 AM
Yup the kids did a great jobs both days!...

Yes they are getting paid for the work but.. Mostly they are teenagers.. when it's super hot like this weekend or poaring rain some lose of focus should be expected and maybe prepared for like double checking all gun stations etc..

Just think where we'd be if we couldn't get bird boys for these tests :)

Kevin Hannah
09-02-2008, 08:44 AM
An appreciation day for them is not too much to ask.

Not saying that it isn't a good idea.

Anna Scott
09-02-2008, 03:44 PM
kevin that was just a general comment thrown out there. I am sure that each club has its own way of thanking the kids that throw. An appreciation day was something suggest by one of our members and we will certainly try to follow it up in some way. Some of the kids that through at the trial came from a ways off so we will have to decide what can be done.
i know i have 4 kibble burners here that would run for anyone if they thought there might be a cookie in it for them.
Just have to balance early goose season, deer hunting, duck hunting and moose hunting. Hope the weather will hold so we can do it.