Canadian field trial schedule

[kawarthalabs]

The tentative schedule for Canadian field trials is now posted on the NRCC website.
Tony.

[Misty Marsh]

Are the yellow high lighted ones finalized, or the white?

[zeekster]

has any one actually taken a look at the dates for field trials or is this just another ckc screw up
why would southwestern suddenly be on the same weekend as montreal
if i'm wrong let me know thats not the only mistake i see in there

dave

[captainjack]

Please tell me what the CKC has to do with the NRCC trial date lists. Give me a break with such non productive comments.:boo:
Contact the secretary of NRCC if you have questions regarding the conflict of dates or Flatlands or the secretary of Montreal Club. The official dates are also contained in the official section of CKC monthly magazine.

Peter

[Davadar]

The CKC Calendar of Events lists these two trials on the same weekend. Why bash the CKC for approving two events as long as they are not in a mileage conflict? Seems to me that they are only following the rules and that it should be the responsibility of clubs to arrange their schedules to avoid date conflicts.

Dave, it is the same as when your club and the Long Point clubs trials were on
the same weekend several years ago. No mileage conflict then either.

[flatlands]

SWORTC always has its trial on the weekend closest to the closing of Hullet Wildlife Area (May 15). That's why it may not always be "Mother's Day weekend."

All published dates are correct: Open 1, May 14, 15 at Flatlands; Full Trial, May 16, 17 at Hullet

Connie

[zeekster]

I'll concede SWORTC date on the grounds that they use public land, but is even though the CKC has mileage difference. There are still only so many dogs and handlers in this Country and Province. I believe this was brought up at the ORA meeting.
We are a small bunch and if we are to continue then lets look out for each other .
The only reason that we are not in conflict for a date at this time is because there are 5 weekends in May again this year and next year. After that we have no idea when we will hold our trial as we have seen what having conflicting dates can do to entries. If you check back historically the 2nd weekend in June was EORC's untill they didn't have a trial one year at which time Long point jumped in and grabbed it. The reason for us ditching the 2nd weekend in May was water temperature which affected entries.
If you want more that maybe the NRCC or ORA should look at then check out when the National Am ends and when when LOC starts.(no open at LOC)
And another that really makes no sense Is the National ending(in Trenton) and Mountain Valley start.
the ORC has dropped back a weekend this year to try and get more entries as they were being hurt by pre national trainers the last few years.
If i remember correctly the National use to be close to the end of September but they just keep moving forward.
Dave

[captainjack]

Dave,

I agree with much that is being said, but the "they" that is being referred to is "us" - the national is being moved forward by clubs wanting to avoid hunting season which would limit grounds.
As far as conflict of dates, this has been going on for years as clubs tend to look out for themselves. I do not think you could get clubs to work together.:worms: The point that you make about Long Point and EORC is a prime example.
How can you rationalize a field trial on a national weekend as we are all suppose to be NRCC member clubs. That sure does not show support for the national or those handlers and dogs that run the national.:boo:
This is an excellent topic for ORA as I do not know how it is handled in other parts of the country.

Peter

[3 black dogs]

Peter MVRTC did not move our date and we did not recieve any notice that the national would be moved up a week so now We are forced to change our date or suffer having no entries and no chance of getting any judges as every one will be in brighton at the national. All it would have took was a phone call. I was at the ORA meeting and no one said boo to me about the National dates.

Also at that meeting Everyone seemed very concerned with where the sport was headed but yet this still goes on.

Everyone should remember it is the group of amatures who put on all these events and spend the time to organise and run them so we can all get out and run our dogs a little consideration would go a long way. If we keep this attitude we have now it won't be very long before there is no trials to run.

Concerned

Chris Bayles

[North of 7]

Good post Chris

[krakadawn]

National Dates,
During the last several National mtgs there has been significant discussion and ensuing changes to try to avoid or minimize conflict between the National dates and host club dates. The decision was made to push dates back both in July and September as compared to what they were in the recent past. This year is no exception-in fact the National is one week later than last year.
Both Fredericton(08 Nat) and Pine Ridge(09) National both had concerns about hosting their trials to avoid the opening day of duck hunting. These decisions are made well in advance and confirmed at the Amateur(July) and the AGM held at the National in September. Minutes are circulated and Directors have first hand information about dates and any changes. Is Bruce Kelly a member of your club Chris-he would have received those minutes. The comment about receiving a phone call is a mute point-perhaps individual host clubs who realize the close time lines might avail themselves to the phone as well as ask the club secretary for the National minutes which they have.
If I recall the Mountain Valley Club had a conflict with Opening Day of Duck Hunting and moved their date.Personally I like to support all clubs but don't expect me on an Opening day-so yes we do have conflicts from time to time-people have to make decisions.CKC confirms these dates-has nothing to do with NRCC or ORA.
Those old timers still around will remember ORFTAO and yes they did sort out and confirm dates prior to CKC taking on this responsibilty.
In recent Nationals all clubs have been very willing to allow entries to be as late as possible. For those who have hosted such event you will understand this issue.
NRCC has confirmed windows for both Nationals and that information has been circulated to clubs and Directors as well for their planning.

Jim

[zeekster]

Chris … I’m glad to see I wasn’t the only one listening to what was said at the ORA meeting. Yes I agree that amateurs put on the events but without the Pros we wouldn’t have the entries that we have. Don’t get me wrong Chris I am not criticizing you only stating the facts we need both the Amateur and the Pro.
We did ok when we put on a double Amateur only but people need a place to start so with out Junior and Qualifying there is nothing and no entries either if you don’t have an Open so the pros will also bring there Open, Qualifying and Junior dogs.
Montreal is the last Quebec Field Trial still running and it’s in Ontario, from what I hear if they don’t do well they’ll be gone. Just maybe SWOTRC could have looked and said there’s an open weekend down the road where we won’t conflict with some one that has used that date for over 30years. Might not be long before all clubs that are running on Public lands are looking for a place to hold a trial or hunt test.
So there we go let’s only worry about our own dates and very shortly we can all be wondering, where can we run this weekend.
Lot of people on hear that are great talkers or quitters, when its time to step up to the plate and do something where are they then.
As far as the National goes this is supposed to be our most prestigious event and since when should the opening day of waterfowl take precedence. Duck and Goose seasons are well under way out west when they hold Nationals. Duck season is in full swing when Bancroft has there trial. (oh yeh there looking to move also so who’s feet might they step on.)

Dave

[krakadawn]

David,
Since many clubs 'borrow' or use private land they ultimately have to deal with the issue of Opening day unless someone owns all that land and the trial will have no interference. As for Western Nationals, several clubs have been very successful and worked very hard to purchase their own property.They have enhanced their land and water and have no interference problems from hunters to worry about if a trial is planned.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had some "Provincial Areas" that cold dedicate usage for us?

The Brighton Hunting Area is starting a review/implementation of land usage and the PRRC is involved to try and protect some potential land for Retriever Trials.Has anything happened with the Gannanoque Hunting Area??It is critical that we start to lobby for our usage in these areas.
Jim

[captainjack]

Dave, I am not a member of SWORTC, but would a change in their date in anyway reflect on the entry for the Quebec Club? South West date conflicts also with the Wolverine date in Michigan and many from the south west would go there which is a 2 hour drive instead of making the long trip to Maxville or pass on the Quebec trial altogether because of the distance.
Clubs do have to consider their own situation and South Western Ontario Club has a small window in which they can host a spring trial.
Many of us remember that they used to run a fall licensed field trial and the problem was the cover was not suitable for a trial. South Western has by far the best grounds in all of Ontario and it is a priviledge to run a field trial on their grounds.
The issue of dates as far as I am concerned has nothing to do with hunting. Jim would not run a field trial on opening day of hunting season. I believe many would especially the pros who run 75 % of the dogs at the fall national trial. The problem with a fall national is grounds and what grounds would not be available during the hunting season.
Could you imagine a national at Bancroft in their October date... what a beautiful site that would be. I bet even Jim would be there!

Peter.