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Medie
05-19-2010, 08:51 AM
WE had this discussion last evening in reference to hunt tests. If for some reason a test has to be scrapped, do the dogs that have run get a re run, or are the scores they got in the pre-scrapped test counted and they do not run the revised test? Most felt all dogs did the new test and those that had run the previous set up would start fresh. There were a few dissents.

This is the only reference I could find and it is fuzzy...

"Judges must explain the test set-up to the handlers, and further explain the objectives as they relate to a specific hunting situation. No retrieve should normally exceed 91.4m (100 yards) and under no circumstance shall exceed 114.3m (125 yards), 68.5m (75 yards) for the Junior Test. Judges may discontinue testing in a hunting situation before all dogs have been run in that situation, provided that another hunting situation is substituted. The score of a dog in a hunting situation which has been discontinued shall not be considered for any purpose in the evaluation of the abilities of that dog.."

kawarthalabs
05-19-2010, 09:11 AM
Sounds clear to me-All dogs run the new test and whatever happened in the running of the scrapped test does not count.
Tony.

sterregold
05-19-2010, 01:47 PM
...this from the rulebook. Muddies the waters a bit ...

11.1.8 Judges may discontinue testing in a hunting situation
before all dogs have been run in that situation, provided
that another hunting situation is substituted.
The score of a dog in a hunting situation which has
been discontinued shall not be considered for any
purpose in the evaluation of the abilities of that dog.
....
11.1.24 No dog shall be given a qualifying score in Junior,
Senior or Master Hunting Tests unless the dog has
completed all series held for any dog in the event
except a series which has been discontinued. (emphasis mine)

captainjack
05-19-2010, 02:00 PM
That seems clear to me, but I am not an English major.

captainjack,

Medie, Did you have to write the new judge field trial test?

deb
05-19-2010, 08:34 PM
Still pretty clear. You can't complete a series that has been scraped. So all dogs must complete the new series.
deb

sterregold
05-20-2010, 02:33 PM
Well, exactly, so why the poor wording? How can all dogs complete a series that was scrapped? If it was scrapped, they could not all run it, unless you scrapped it mid-way through the last dog, and then would the dog have completed it? It is unnecessary verbiage of the sort that is present multiple times in the rule book. It would be better to read that if a series is discontinued, all dogs, including those that already ran in the discontinued series, will run the new series.