Im Back

[RyanGSP]

Its been a while since I have been on CHD and its good to be back.

A little update since I have been gone.

Diego was diagnosed as a Carrier for CD (Cone Degeneration) so I had him Neutered in early 2009. He also finished his Rally Novice title, he was handled by my friend and lady I purchased my dog from. Probably the most proud accomplishment was in the summer of 2010 at the GSP Nationals in Calgary where he went Best Altered male.

Sadly in May 2010 we had to let Bailey go to the field above. We are not 100% sure what was the matter but we are thinking it was tumor. She went downhill fast and stopped eating. She would act hungry but when food was presented she lost all interest and sulked away. Its been a pretty hard year without her and an even tougher fall.

So now I sit here in the winter still continuing my search for a field trial hunting dog but since the CKC has finally recognized the Dual Championship I am looking for a dog I can do that with as well. I didnt have plans to finish Diego in the field but maybe when the new puppy comes (if I ever find one) I will push him for dual.

Also joining the search is my father but he is looking for another Setter. Its going to be a pretty tough search but we are not in a rush to find one.

Looking forward to talking to you all again.

Ryan

[GUNDOGS]

Hello ryan..my husband brian and i are new to the forum..joined a few months ago and enjoy all the debates, info and advice on here..so although i wasnt a member on here when you were,..sorry for the loss of your dog bailey and also for the diagnosis of your dog diego..i dont want to push the issue of the thought of a new pup (when youre ready)..you mentioned your father looking for a setter..i will highly recommend jim gourley from "setterdogs" in kansas..we had a female from him about 8 years ago out of his 4X NSTRA CHAMPION AND HALL OF FAME MALE "shades"..she was an incredible hunting companion..we actually shipped him a male we had and he sent us this female in return..we retired her to the couch and gave her to a friend a fews years ago..you could not go wrong with his pups and hes an amazing bird dog trainer as well.. Welcome back to the forum.. :welcome: Ruth

[RyanGSP]

Thanks for the tip. We are hoping to find something a bit more local. If we have to ship we were looking at the Brophy setters but I will take a look at what your recommended.

Hes not looking for a hardcore dog just a companion he can shoot birds over. If it does have the run and style however it might have to tag along with me ;)

[Lenore]

Nice to meet you and glad your back! Sorry to hear about the dogs, things like those are never easy! Good luck with your pup search!

[BdBHunts]

Good to see your back.:grouphug::lol:

May have a line on setters out your way.

[RyanGSP]

Fill me in Brother. Bailey was from 2 lines over 100 years old so I have a slim chance of finding another.

Worse comes to worse we have to buy a Brophy or Celtic.

[GUNDOGS]

thanks for the tip. We are hoping to find something a bit more local. If we have to ship we were looking at the brophy setters but i will take a look at what your recommended.

Hes not looking for a hardcore dog just a companion he can shoot birds over. If it does have the run and style however it might have to tag along with me ;)

hi ryan...i saw your pic with the red setter...the setters i recommended from jim arent red but i thought id post a few pics for ya anyway...bailey is the tri color male(WE SHIPPED HIM TO KANSAS A FEW YEARS AGO) and belle is the orange and white out of setterdogs...her lines are field trial as where bailey was closer working lines...if you are interested by chance in either of them i can post their pedigree for you....bailey was 7 months in these pics and belle was 3 months with my husband brian(THIS WAS ABOUT 8 YEARS AGO)...may not be what your looking for :noidea: But thought id share.....(ALSO JIM ONLY DOES A BREEDING I THINK EVERY OTHER YEAR AND HE PLANS ON A FEW THIS YEAR).....ruth

[Penny]

Its been a while since I have been on CHD and its good to be back.

A little update since I have been gone.

Diego was diagnosed as a Carrier for CD (Cone Degeneration) so I had him Neutered in early 2009. He also finished his Rally Novice title, he was handled by my friend and lady I purchased my dog from. Probably the most proud accomplishment was in the summer of 2010 at the GSP Nationals in Calgary where he went Best Altered male.

Sadly in May 2010 we had to let Bailey go to the field above. We are not 100% sure what was the matter but we are thinking it was tumor. She went downhill fast and stopped eating. She would act hungry but when food was presented she lost all interest and sulked away. Its been a pretty hard year without her and an even tougher fall.

So now I sit here in the winter still continuing my search for a field trial hunting dog but since the CKC has finally recognized the Dual Championship I am looking for a dog I can do that with as well. I didnt have plans to finish Diego in the field but maybe when the new puppy comes (if I ever find one) I will push him for dual.

Also joining the search is my father but he is looking for another Setter. Its going to be a pretty tough search but we are not in a rush to find one.

Looking forward to talking to you all again.

Ryan


Not in a rush to find something is an understatement
I don't think the dog you are looking for exists.Show ring judges don't like to put up dogs that are in field condition(GSP and EP anyway) Take a field trial dog put 5-8 pounds on him and you are in the money.When I say field condition I mean field trial condition.Able to run 30 min-1 hr and run as hard at the finish as the start.It's to bad,the best examples of the breed are found at the trial grounds and probably couldn't get a show point to save their life.Disagree if you want but come out to a American Field trial and try and find a Field Trial Champion that is a Show Champion.The only thing harder to find is an owner that gives a S@#$ about the show ring.Field dog tests are different as well.Lots of Duel Champions there but except for one exception I can think of those dogs are not in field condition.The owners only think they are.Field trialing is not for everyone and the Show Ring is not for everyone but I think you have to choose one or the other to excel in it.

[RyanGSP]

Not in a rush to find something is an understatement
I don't think the dog you are looking for exists.Show ring judges don't like to put up dogs that are in field condition(GSP and EP anyway) Take a field trial dog put 5-8 pounds on him and you are in the money.When I say field condition I mean field trial condition.Able to run 30 min-1 hr and run as hard at the finish as the start.It's to bad,the best examples of the breed are found at the trial grounds and probably couldn't get a show point to save their life.Disagree if you want but come out to a American Field trial and try and find a Field Trial Champion that is a Show Champion.The only thing harder to find is an owner that gives a S@#$ about the show ring.Field dog tests are different as well.Lots of Duel Champions there but except for one exception I can think of those dogs are not in field condition.The owners only think they are.Field trialing is not for everyone and the Show Ring is not for everyone but I think you have to choose one or the other to excel in it.

Take a look at the NDL Shorthair Website and see if your can find the dual on there. I guarantee there is one.

There are quiet a few people breeding dogs that can do both and have been proven for both. Brenda Roe's dog Fritz exceled in both and now his 2 sons are doing quiet well. Hustler was a fantastic dual dog and there is a breeding in NY taking place that should produce more like him.

I do agree though you need to beef up a field conditioned dog for the show ring. Thats what I had to do with my dog when the field season was done and he went to shows. Luckly he finished pretty quick :lol:

[Penny]

What dog at NDL is duel?

[RyanGSP]

Muff is a Dual.

Muff is a Dunfur bred dog.

[Penny]

Muff is a Dual.

Muff is a Dunfur bred dog.

I bet if your asked him they put some extra pounds on the dog to show him and from thr looks of the websites his wife is more into the show thing.Probably she put the title on and he couldn't care less.
To be honest 10 points gets you a show championship and with a decient dog,a judge that likes your dog and a little bit of time the championship is fairly easy.What I am taking about is someone who actively competes in both during the year and can win a field trial one weekend and a dog show the next.That dog does not exist I can see you have a show championship on your dog but not a field championship.In a trial you can easly be up against 20 dogs and when you run American field every one one of those dogs show up to win.How many GSP's at the local dog show in Calgary 5-8 probably What championship is easier to get??

[RyanGSP]

When Diego was in the ring he was there the same time as muff. Although muff wasnt in field shape he was darn close.

No a dog cannot do one this weekend then the other the next but thats not to say its impossible to get both.

Once the show title is there I have no interest in it anymore.

My dog doesnt compete for his FC anymore. I think I stated why in my 1st paragraph

Diego was diagnosed as a Carrier for CD (Cone Degeneration) so I had him Neutered in early 2009

[cody]

We just got the scedule for region 14. If you want to watch trial dogs run I will bring my
old JR HORSE for you to ride so you can see what it is all about !!

[Irish1]

Of course one can dual a pointing breed. One just has to decide what one wants out of that dual. The show and field both have extremes, but it is possible to have a correct pointing breed that is competitive in both venues, and not just at tests. It is not, however, a road down which the faint of heart or less than determined should embark. It is a road upon which many begin, but few end up having the "bottom end" to finish for a number of reasons. Most find one venue or other more enjoyable and more "ribbon" heavy and so end up going that route. Nothing wrong with that. It is also true that some breeds are less split than others, and also true that some breeds have become so different that to compete is difficult. I would say that the show ring is probably harder to compete in with a correct example of a breed than the field because type enters so heavily into that venue. I am most certainly NOT saying that is right, just that it is a fact.

Both venues have their downfalls and good points, but in the end the dog has to be the one you want to live with.

[Irish1]

I would say that the show ring is probably harder to compete in with a correct example of a breed than the field because type enters so heavily into that venue. I am most certainly NOT saying that is right, just that it is a fact.

Both venues have their downfalls and good points, but in the end the dog has to be the one you want to live with.


In rereading this I sound like I am saying it is harder to finish a show champion, that's not what I mean. What I mean is that to even compete in the show ring one has to have a dog approaching the type preferred in the ring (rightly or wrongly) and so many of our field trial dogs should not even try to compete in the show ring (rightly or wrongly.) They will never win and probably will be excused. So from that point of view it is harder to compete in the show ring - regardless of what a dog looks like, it can compete at a field trial. Of course, many of these dogs will not be competitive at a trial, but they can compete. HEck in rereading this I guess our trial bred dogs could go to shows too, in fact I wish they would, then maybe the hairy, fat, extremely angulated, unbalanced specimens will be "shown" for what they are! Seriously, it is a self fulfilling prophecy that shows only reward fat or hairy, or extreme dogs because that is all that shows up at them. I do get some strange looks, and it takes intestinal fortitude to do it, but I show my field condition dogs, "lacking coat" and I do win from time to time even over BIS winning dogs. But money being what it is, I also realise that most of the time I shoud not bother! LOL!

Show people think I have field trial dogs and trial folks think I have show dogs, but to me I have Irish Setters and with luck and hard work they will win a few ribbons in each venue and look like the dogs my family has always had. Most days this is good enough for me...most days. Then again, I did use a stud dog recently to improve the "style" of my dogs for trialing...LOL!

[RyanGSP]

We as kennel with cockers won at westminister won 6 champ shoot to retriev
3 top derbies in can top 10 in us I think I now allittle about dogs cody got 4
placements in one week end oh he had 11 placements in 14 trials what a slug.
Do you want to buy him ?

Noone was questioning whether you knew dogs. Whats with the big ego trip

[RyanGSP]

Wow. Maybe you should sit the next couple plays out there champ.

[Penny]

When Diego was in the ring he was there the same time as muff. Although muff wasnt in field shape he was darn close.

No a dog cannot do one this weekend then the other the next but thats not to say its impossible to get both.

Once the show title is there I have no interest in it anymore.My dog doesnt compete for his FC anymore. I think I stated why in my 1st paragraph



My comment on your dog was just an example.I read your first post.I don't understand th highlighted comment.I guess thats the difference between show and field.Lots of guys out there with Field Championships still trying to kick a$$ with that same dog

[Irish1]

Well I have often shown one weekend and trialed the next, and placed frequently, and won enough to finish one dual dog and start a few more. Of course some would say that my dogs are not really that competitive in the field, but then again, they do consistently place and win often enough and I've had top ranked dogs at all the CKC levels and in show and field. Not that easy for a coated breed in either venue, and certainly not common for an Irish - which in and of itself speaks to how hard and rare the dual dog thing is. I'm proud of my dogs, but also very realistic about what they are and that is I think the most positive place to be no matter what one likes to do with ones dogs. There are so many competitive venues for pointing dogs that there is a game for anybody to play and have a good time at it with ones dogs. Really the best thing for our breeds is to keep at it and keep it positive and above board; don't you agree?

[Penny]

This thread has pretty much run it's course for me.CKC does the Duel Championship thing so I guess there is such a thing.CKC is a little bit like mexican money,sure it's money but who wants it. They are getting a little to much like the goverment these days.Running in the red and always having their hand out.You are right as long as you are out their having fun with you dog that's all that counts.Better then stuck in front of a TV

[RyanGSP]

We like it infront of the TV this time of the year. Diego`s favourite is Primo`s How to Call Waterfowl and Predator hunting.

[Irish1]

This thread has pretty much run it's course for me.CKC does the Duel Championship thing so I guess there is such a thing.CKC is a little bit like mexican money,sure it's money but who wants it. They are getting a little to much like the goverment these days.Running in the red and always having their hand out.You are right as long as you are out their having fun with you dog that's all that counts.Better then stuck in front of a TV

I don't know, it seems you like to come out to CKC stuff pretty often, and I've even seen you have a titch of fun...c'mon, we're all here to chat, not pee in each other's cornflakes. CKc events will be what we make them since the actual CKC isn't there competing, it is us out there with our dogs judging each other, yep we pay them a fee, but on any given weekend it's just us doing the work and running the dogs and judging. If there is a problem with the actual events, it is the participants fault not the CKC's - heck they can mess up at the office all on their own.

[cody]

It'a alright as long as there is enough Alexander Keiths around !!:lol:

[Irish1]

It'a alright as long as there is enough Alexander Keiths around !!:lol:

Single Malt?

[RyanGSP]

If anyone wants ill be happy to pee in their cornflakes.

Budlight Lime for this guy please!

[Penny]

If anyone wants ill be happy to pee in their cornflakes.

Budlight Lime for this guy please!

Guy and Budlight Lime should never be said in the same sentence

[cody]

Guy and Budlight Lime should never be said in the same sentence

Sure sounds girlie to me ! Probably asks for extra lime:lol:

[RyanGSP]

Drink what you guys want. I enjoy a Budlight Lime on a hot day. Besides the neighbors look at ya funny if your drinking Captain & Coke at 9am.... on a weekday

[RyanGSP]

Sure sounds girlie to me ! Probably asks for extra lime:lol:

Pretty soon you will be complaining I know everything about beer and you have been brewing it for 40 years and you should bring it to me :shocked: