Hunt Test and Field Trial Combined

[Cedar Ridge]

What are the thoughts out there on hosting a combination Hunt Test and Field Trial on the same weekend on the same grounds? Something like an Open and Master on Saturday with a Junior and Master on Sunday ???

is there any interest in this kind of set up ? there is some tailgate talk about this considering that the Master National is in Brighton this year .......:fish2::fish2::fish2:

[3 black dogs]

If you held 2 masters this year prior to the master national judged by ht judges they will come. I don't think you will get any of the ht dogs in the open though

[Lpgar]

Bill

Long Point's hunt test / Qualifying weekend in August We feel has been well received. There have been a number of people of each sport cross over and try the other during the weekend. My understanding is that anything that has a double master will bring in more people. The Jr and Sr numbers have been somewhat disappointing. Not sure that there would be much cross over with any stake bigger than a Qual.

Gar

[captainjack]

Bill,

My best "uneducated" guess is that the biggest draw for Ontario dogs in 2012 with a National open in Ontario would be a double owner handler amateur. With no open stake on the card, I would expect that every amateur who wants to run the national open and who has a qualifying and/or non qualified field trial dog would attend.

I also agree with Gar that if you want to combine hunt tests and field trials that the only combination that would work would be master hunt test and qualifying field trial. This may attract cross overs.

Peter.

[AD18]

I believe any hunt test with a Master stake this year in Ontario will be very busy due to Ontario holding the Master National. A lot of dogs from Ontario and Quebec are still trying to qualify or requalify. The Long Point hunt test and field trial weekend is a great event and I have enjoyed it in the past. However, this year I would be very reluctant to run a hunt test/field trial combo due to the subtle differences the events have. I would personally veer away from any type of field trial event until after the MN is complete. I will support the existing Mountain Valley, Horseshoe, Chessie Club, and Ottawa Valley events before crossing over to the field trial world possibly in the fall. I am already qualified for the MN, but I want to run and train in the environment I'm going to run. Camo attire, duck calls, and regualar gun shots. I'm not sure what other handler opinions are, but that would be mine. If your event was held after the MN or in 2013, that is a different kettle of fish:rolleyes:

[Cedar Ridge]

Maybe my message was misunderstood, I am not looking so much for crossover dogs in this but as a way to satisfy both factions of the club, while attempting to reduce overall costs and increase revenue...
the fact that we may have some Q dogs run the Master is a good thing and visa versa, but with a limited amount of help and to try to not burn out those members was the premise for the post.....

thanks for the responses ......

[EvanG]

Just a couple years back this idea was tried and televised in the US. It was called "The World Retriever Championship". 10 series; 5 FT-type tests/5 HT-type tests. Of course even with a $25,000 cash prize it didn't attract the best dogs, and so it could not really be a 'world championship'. It was interesting, but all the HT dogs were gone by about the 5th series. They did it two years in a row, but the second one didn't make TV, and the event died a natural death. At least that's my recollection of it.

EvanG

[North of 7]

I think this could be interesting but to achieve the goal of high numbers in E Ont I believe for you to get the desired FT numbers you may have to go to a double All-Age.
Jim

[Lpgar]

Bill

I understand exactly where your coming from. Since the Master National Club decided it was perfectly OK to hold the National in our Zone on our Priority weekend and not consult LPRTC about this it has kinda left us in a lurch. We have core members that are passionate about the hunt test but not at the National Level. If We hold the hunt test on our date we will definately be in a loss situation. If We fail to have a hunt test We alienate these hard working individuals that do not Field Trial. There seems to be very few open weekends to move the event to. So after a deep tailgate discussion yesterday after training we have left it at "We don't know what to do". I know We don't have the land or people resources to combine it with the June trial.......so here We think about it.

Gar

[zeekster]

Seems nobody consulted EORC about our hunt test as it would normally be August 25 & 26

Actually I could see moving our Hunt Test to our Field trial weekend at least for this year. Sure hope a Hunt test makes money though with out having to depend on a big tailgate to bring in money.

Then maybe we could find another date yet again for our field trial with out butting heads with some other club. Not that we have ever had to do that before.

I think this year I'm going to sit back and watch, help at any event but not have any official job as i want to be just like most club members as it is with most clubs. Maybe the National clubs should put in a rule that any one running in any National should at least be a club member of some retriever club

Sure hope it works out one way or the other.

Dave

[captainjack]

Dave,

Communication seems to be lacking at all levels.

Perhaps a rule put in the CKC rule book both hunt and field to over rule the National Clubs on allowable dates.
It could be a simple as " no national stake can start or end on the weekend before or the weekend after the priority date of a CKC member club in good standing without written approval of the CKC member clubs which hold these dates. This written approval must accompany the application for the national event. "

Seemed that there was some hard feelings over the national amateur last summer over the same issue.

Peter

[Retrievers ONLINE]

Dave, Communication seems to be lacking at all levels. Perhaps a rule put in the CKC rule book both hunt and field to over rule the National Clubs on allowable dates. It could be a simple as " no national stake can start or end on the weekend before or the weekend after the priority date of a CKC member club in good standing without written approval of the CKC member clubs which hold these dates. This written approval must accompany the application for the national event. " Seemed that there was some hard feelings over the national amateur last summer over the same issue. Peter

Peter (and everyone else!),

Don't you think it's a sad statement on society when we feel compelled to make rules and regulations in order to achieve courtesy, communication and common sense?

The proposed rule above covers a period of 4 weeks that would have to be cleared.It would mean many Nationals in the past could not have been held. Often Ontario clubs have held conflicting trials with Nationals that are on the other side of the country.

Dennis

PS And invariably with more rules comes more red tape-who needs that?

[captainjack]

One would hope that it is as simple as communication, courtesy and common sense, but that does not appear to be happening in this case.

What I am suggesting with this rule is that the national consults the club with priority dates and gets their permission. This is courtesy, communication and common sense.

Small clubs are dealing with a lot of issues at their local level and do not need the added grieve of having to change dates and do not have the luxury of other dates available for obvious reasons.

And yes it is a sad state when this lack of communication, courtesy and common sense is not shown.

Peter

[Retrievers ONLINE]

What do you think about a MUCH simpler solution that isn't so "official" and with red tape and won't take two years to get implemented.

Simply ask the NRCC and the MNC to adopt a policy that host clubs must ensure that licensed clubs with priority dates are consulted. In the case of the NRCC, the host clubs need to sign off that they follow NRCC policies already. It could be as simple as a letter to the executive.

[Cedar Ridge]

EORC has decided to put on both a hunt test and field trial on seperate weekends ,......

so looking for some Marshalls to help out if anyone is interested ??????

thanks again

Bill

[captainjack]

Bill,

If you can find a cottage at a reasonable rate for Judy and I to rent, we will make the trip. I will be running open, amateur and junior and we will be willing to marshal whatever you need. Let me know.

Peter.